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Re: Any interest in a UK croco-puzzle ladder?

Post by dickoon » Sat 13 Aug, 2011 3:21 pm

The twenty-first week's matches are as follows:

CHAMPIONSHIP MATCH
detuned vs. kiwijam
Winner becomes (or remains) champion and defends the championship next week, loser descends to the #1 contender match next week.

#1 CONTENDER MATCH
drsteve vs. ronaldx
Winner becomes #1 contender and gets a championship match next week, loser descends to the #2 contender match next week.

#2 CONTENDER MATCH
rodders vs oenomel
Winner becomes #2 contender and gets a #1 contender match next week, loser descends to the relegation match next week.

RELEGATION MATCH
afcwarren vs. puzzlemad
Winner survives and gets a #2 contender match next week, loser relegated from the ladder and replaced by whoever's at the front of the waiting list.

Waiting list: dickoon, PuzzleScot

Matches are to be played over Monday 15th August to Friday 19th August, with possible extra time on Saturday 20th August if required.

Have a look in the "Reflections on the croco-puzzle ladder?" thread, please, for a document I have put together comparing a number of match generation systems. I'd be delighted to know your thoughts, particularly on the concept of changing to three-way matches. (For what it's worth, I had similar trouble with the Java to Tom on that weekend when he was having issues with it.)

As ever, if you know in advance that you won't be able to take part on any particular weekday, please speak up as far in advance as you can and book yourself one or two bye days. If anybody else wants to join the waiting list, please let me know.

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Re: Any interest in a UK croco-puzzle ladder?

Post by PuzzleScot » Sat 13 Aug, 2011 10:17 pm

A close match indeed between Nick and myself. 3 of our solves were within 15 seconds, one of which was 1 second! (all in my favour, fortunately).
A couple of unnecessary FVS sealed the deal. Well done Nick. 3 more weeks until I get a sniff at the ladder then...

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Re: Any interest in a UK croco-puzzle ladder?

Post by dickoon » Sat 20 Aug, 2011 8:27 pm

Once again there was Extra Time and I didn't manage to warn you about it; two lots, in fact. Nevertheless, you're all well-trained to play to the whistle by now, so here are the results of the twenty-first week of the UK croco-puzzle ladder:

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                  | detuned   kiwijam | drsteve   ronaldx  | rodders    oenomel | afcwarren   puzzlemad |
Monday            |                   |                    |                    |                       |
ABC-Box           | 13:33     12:32   | 09:40     17:39    | 13:45      11:09   | 15:57       19:07     |
Hashi             | 01:38     02:40   | 07:07     03:10    | 05:23      03:53   | 02:24       03:24     |
Tuesday           |                   |                    |                    |                       |
Thermometer       | 06:18     09:23   | 11:48     03:51    | 08:33      09:40   | 04:23       03:47     |
Sternenhimmel     | 25:52     10:05   | 18:09     66:38    | 20:08      24:52   | 26:57       48:57     |
Wednesday         |                   |                    |                    |                       |
Fillomino         | 01:12     01:33   | 01:20     9999:59  | 01:56      02:10   | 01:29       12:20     |
Pyramidenrätsel   | 02:26     06:24   | 07:53     9999:59  | 00:35      01:22   | 04:45       03:20     |
Thursday          |                   |                    |                    |                       |
Japanische Summen | 06:42     01:26   | 01:46     9999:59  | 01:49      01:38   | 02:10       02:19     |
Slalom            | 74:10     37:04   | 23:53     9999:59  | 9999:59    50:53   | 39:46       658:48    |
Friday            |                   |                    |                    |                       |
Doppelstern       | 08:14     03:36   | 09:11     9999:59  | 15:05      04:18   | 04:58       22:07     |
Vergleichssudoku  | 00:42     01:38   | 01:06     9999:59  | 01:18      01:50   | 01:30       02:13     |
Saturday          |                   |                    |                    |                       |
ABC-Box           | 11:24     17:45   |                    | 13:52      18:58   |                       |
Heyawake          | 03:35     03:34   |                    | 06:29      05:46   |                       |
MON-FRI SCORE     | 5         5       | 8         2        | 5          5       | 8           2         |
FINAL SCORE       | 6         6       | 8         2        | 6          6       | 8           2         |
TOTAL TIME        | 155:46    107:40  | 91:53     60091:12 | 10088:52   136:29  | 104:19      776:22    |
detuned 6 kiwijam 6 aet, kiwijam wins on shorter total time
drsteve 8 ronaldx 2
rodders 6 oenomel 6 aet, oenomel wins on shorter total time
afcwarren 8 puzzlemad 2

Congratulations to our winners, especially to James on capturing the championship! Commiserations to those squeezed out on extra time and to puzzlemad, who is relegated from the ladder. Thanks for playing, Liane; you're most welcome to rejoin any time, and unless you say otherwise I'll put you on the waiting list to join again.

(Alan's point some time ago about the non-finished super-long puzzle proving decisive rings particularly true this time - but even if we exclude the Slalom, Nick still wins on shorter total time.)

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Re: Any interest in a UK croco-puzzle ladder?

Post by dickoon » Sat 20 Aug, 2011 8:30 pm

The twenty-second week's matches are as follows:

CHAMPIONSHIP MATCH
kiwijam vs. drsteve
Winner becomes (or remains) champion and defends the championship next week, loser descends to the #1 contender match next week.

#1 CONTENDER MATCH
detuned vs. oenomel
Winner becomes #1 contender and gets a championship match next week, loser descends to the #2 contender match next week.

#2 CONTENDER MATCH
ronaldx vs afcwarren
Winner becomes #2 contender and gets a #1 contender match next week, loser descends to the relegation match next week.

RELEGATION MATCH
rodders vs. dickoon
Winner survives and gets a #2 contender match next week, loser relegated from the ladder and replaced by whoever's at the front of the waiting list.

Waiting list: PuzzleScot, puzzlemad

Matches are to be played over Monday 22nd August to Friday 26th August, with possible extra time on Saturday 27th August if required.

Actually, Saturday 27th August is the same day as the US Puzzle Championship. Would it make sense to hold extra time, if required on Sunday 28th August, as a one-time thing? Would holding extra time on the same day as the USPC be too much of a good thing?

As ever, if you know in advance that you won't be able to take part on any particular weekday, please speak up as far in advance as you can and book yourself one or two bye days. If anybody else wants to join the waiting list, please let me know.

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Re: Any interest in a UK croco-puzzle ladder?

Post by drsteve » Sat 20 Aug, 2011 8:41 pm

Well, I'll have to request a bye for Saturday and Sunday, so I guess we'll do total time after 5 days for a tie-break if necessary.

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Re: Any interest in a UK croco-puzzle ladder?

Post by dickoon » Sat 20 Aug, 2011 8:52 pm

Granted! Works for me. :)

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Re: Any interest in a UK croco-puzzle ladder?

Post by kiwijam » Sun 21 Aug, 2011 11:38 am

Phew, thanks Tom, that was a very close battle.
If I'd taken 1 more second on the 12th and final puzzle then the whole match result would have been reversed!
I'm sure you'll be back in the top spot back before too long, but for now I hope to put up some resistance for it.

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Re: Any interest in a UK croco-puzzle ladder?

Post by furudo.erika » Sun 21 Aug, 2011 4:18 pm

I'd like to put my name onto the waiting list. As today's the first time I've done a croco-puzzle it should at least give someone an easy pass from relegation :)

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Re: Any interest in a UK croco-puzzle ladder?

Post by dickoon » Sun 21 Aug, 2011 7:09 pm

Marvellous! Glad to have you here. By the time you work your way through the waiting list you should have had the chance to practice all the puzzles at croco-puzzle - and any that haven't come up as U-ratsel puzzles can be practiced as prize puzzles.

NB If there's just one more person who wants to join the ladder then I'd definitely extend it from eight to ten... anyone tempted?

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Re: Any interest in a UK croco-puzzle ladder?

Post by nickdeller » Sun 21 Aug, 2011 9:12 pm

Note to self: ignore fact that playing against detuned in future, esp. on small-grid sudoku variants. Absolutely legendary choke on the Killer, mostly due to rushing it! :oops:

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Re: Any interest in a UK croco-puzzle ladder?

Post by detuned » Tue 23 Aug, 2011 3:26 pm

Not checked up in a while. I wasn't aware things had gotten so close! Normally, the heyawake is a banker for me, but I think the performance on that slalom alone was enough to justify a ladder champion who wasn't me for this week.

I have to say that killer went very well for me - it isn't often anyone in the world beats jaku111 at any sort of sudoku related puzzle!

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Re: Any interest in a UK croco-puzzle ladder?

Post by drsteve » Wed 24 Aug, 2011 8:07 am

dickoon wrote:Marvellous! Glad to have you here. By the time you work your way through the waiting list you should have had the chance to practice all the puzzles at croco-puzzle - and any that haven't come up as U-ratsel puzzles can be practiced as prize puzzles.

NB If there's just one more person who wants to join the ladder then I'd definitely extend it from eight to ten... anyone tempted?
I'd say that with eleven players, we should have five matches - relegation still means something but now there's a three week wait if we don't add an extra match.

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Re: Any interest in a UK croco-puzzle ladder?

Post by PuzzleScot » Wed 24 Aug, 2011 10:39 am

Reminder to self - must visit ALL cells in Bahnhoff !!

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Re: Any interest in a UK croco-puzzle ladder?

Post by dickoon » Sat 27 Aug, 2011 9:41 am

Here are the results of the twenty-second week of the UK croco-puzzle ladder:

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                  | kiwijam   drsteve | detuned   oenomel | ronaldx    afcwarren | rodders   dickoon  |
Monday            |                   |                   |                      |                    |
Japanische Summen | 09:58     11:50   | 16:42     24:39   | 13:55      19:40     | 13:45     46:08    |
Killersudoku      | 02:22     01:12   | 00:40     19:59   | 01:50      01:30     | 01:31     03:26    |
Tuesday           |                   |                   |                      |                    |
Japanische Summen | 02:31     01:51   | 02:35     02:48   | 02:46      03:13     | 03:05     03:32    |
Schlange          | 13:26     16:47   | 07:24     09:10   | 14:51      9999:59   | 35:47     9999:59  |
Wednesday         |                   |                   |                      |                    |
Bahnhöfe          | 01:29     00:48   | 00:43     01:24   | 01:19      00:59     | 05:14     02:27    |
Gebietssummen     | 01:26     01:05   | 01:16     01:29   | 01:20      01:16     | 01:34     02:36    |
Thursday          |                   |                   |                      |                    |
Fillomino         | 01:04     01:20   | 00:46     13:31   | 00:58      01:01     | 02:27     01:32    |
ABCD-Rätsel       | 01:47     01:50   | 01:08     01:52   | 01:33      02:12     | 01:52     01:56    |
Friday            |                   |                   |                      |                    |
Tapa              | 04:13     08:35   | 03:32     05:44   | 04:27      08:23     | 08:48     13:12    |
Laser             | 06:49     04:55   | 14:47     09:50   | 9999:59    11:10     | 19:21     32:14    |
FINAL SCORE       | 5         5       | 9         1       | 6          4         | 8         2        |
TOTAL TIME        | 45:05     50:13   | 49:33     90:26   | 10042:58   10049:23  | 93:24     10107:02 |
kiwijam 5 drsteve 5, extra time not played due to bye request, kiwijam wins on shorter total time
detuned 9 oenomel 1
ronaldx 6 afcwarren 4
rodderws 8 dickoon 2

Congratulations to our winners, especially to James on retaining the championship! A second consecutive victory on shorter total time means that things are really, really competitive at the top. The ronaldx - afcwarren match was also very tight; when I checked at 10pm last night Ronald hadn't attempted either puzzle and the score was 5-5, but he must have snuck a Tapa in very late. I was relegated again.

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Re: Any interest in a UK croco-puzzle ladder?

Post by dickoon » Sat 27 Aug, 2011 9:53 am

The twenty-third week's matches are as follows:

CHAMPIONSHIP MATCH
kiwijam vs. detuned
Winner becomes (or remains) champion and defends the championship next week, loser descends to the #1 contender match next week.

#1 CONTENDER MATCH
drsteve vs. ronaldx
Winner becomes #1 contender and gets a championship match next week, loser descends to the #2 contender match next week.

#2 CONTENDER MATCH
oenomel vs rodders
Winner becomes #2 contender and gets a #1 contender match next week, loser descends to the relegation match next week.

RELEGATION MATCH
afcwarren vs. PuzzleScot
Winner survives and gets a #2 contender match next week, loser relegated from the ladder and replaced by whoever's at the front of the waiting list.

Waiting list: puzzlemad, erika, dickoon (though I note that if PuzzleScot - puzzlemad had been a fifth match, it would have ended up 4-6...)

Matches are to be played over Monday 29th August to Friday 2nd September, with possible extra time on Saturday 3rd September if required.

With regard to the waiting list, things are pretty marginal. As Ronald is floating down (very, very slowly) and preparing to drop out, I regard us as having 10½ players rather than 11. I've written elsewhere about my feelings on expansion to ten; with eleven committed players, things are pretty marginal. I feel strongly that a non-trivial waiting list should exist, and the trouble with expanding to ten with eleven players is that it only takes one dropout in order for the waiting list to crumble. With an eleventh committed player I'd be inclined to expand to ten, but only on the understanding that if ever we were to drop back to ten or fewer players then I would contract the ladder back to eight by turning the bottom rung of the ladder back into the top of the waiting list. With more than eleven committed players, I'd expand to ten at once.

As ever, if you know in advance that you won't be able to take part on any particular weekday, please speak up as far in advance as you can and book yourself one or two bye days. If anybody else wants to join the waiting list, please let me know.

Good luck, and happy solving, to everyone in the USPC today!

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Re: Any interest in a UK croco-puzzle ladder?

Post by detuned » Sun 28 Aug, 2011 5:36 pm

I'm going to be away on conference from tomorrow until next Sunday, which as ever I will use as a good excuse to tear myself away from the internet. Even though I'll be able to get in Monday's puzzles this evening, the two bye days won't be enough to prevent my match being a walkover, unfortunately.

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Re: Any interest in a UK croco-puzzle ladder?

Post by dickoon » Sat 03 Sep, 2011 7:38 am

Here are the results of the twenty-third week of the UK croco-puzzle ladder:

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                    | kiwijam   detuned  | drsteve   ronaldx  | oenomel   rodders | afcwarren   PuzzleScot |
Monday              |                    |                    |                   |                        |
Buchstabensalat     | 04:55     04:58    | 08:57     9999:59  | 04:50     04:33   | 23:21       05:50      |
Magisches Labyrinth | 01:55     03:26    | 01:37     9999:59  | 02:09     09:58   | 03:52       02:17      |
Tuesday             |                    |                    |                   |                        |
Japanische Summen   | 00:58     9999:59  | 01:22     9999:59  | 01:03     01:26   | 01:25       02:23      |
Hitori              | 02:23     9999:59  | 03:18     9999:59  | 02:16     02:05   | 02:11       02:03      |
Wednesday           |                    |                    |                   |                        |
Fillomino           | 03:49     9999:59  | 04:19     03:41    | 04:49     05:18   | 04:45       16:02      |
Zeltlager           | 07:04     9999:59  | 06:21     05:35    | 07:06     11:26   | 09:46       08:53      |
Thursday            |                    |                    |                   |                        |
Doppelstern         | 02:33     9999:59  | 02:47     05:04    | 05:47     03:21   | 04:08       03:38      |
Laser               | 01:35     9999:59  | 03:32     02:20    | 01:32     03:39   | 05:01       03:18      |
Friday              |                    |                    |                   |                        |
Heyawake            | 01:40     9999:59  | 01:46     01:48    | 06:33     03:41   | 09:51       08:41      |
Rundweg             | 03:15     9999:59  | 02:42     03:01    | 03:18     08:34   | 9999:59     04:14      |
FINAL SCORE         | 10        0        | 7         3        | 6         4       | 2           8          |
kiwijam 10 detuned 0
drsteve 7 ronaldx 3
oenomel 6 rodders 4
afcwarren 2 PuzzleScot 8

Congratulations to our winners! Commiserations to afcwarren, who is relegated from the ladder after a long run. Thanks for playing, Warren; you're most welcome to rejoin any time, and unless you say otherwise I'll put you on the waiting list to join again.

As it happens, I had a mixed week; I had an outright global fourth and British top on the Japanische Summen on Tuesday, which is a personal best, but I also had a funf-Fehlver on the (highly entertaining triangular) Rundweg yesterday. Having previously had Fehlvers come in 1s, 2s, a 3, a 4, a 6, a 7 and an 8, it's sort of nice to fill the gap and complete the straight. But only sort of.
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Re: Any interest in a UK croco-puzzle ladder?

Post by dickoon » Sat 03 Sep, 2011 7:41 am

The twenty-fourth week's matches are as follows:

CHAMPIONSHIP MATCH
kiwijam vs. drsteve
Winner becomes (or remains) champion and defends the championship next week, loser descends to the #1 contender match next week.

#1 CONTENDER MATCH
detuned vs. oenomel
Winner becomes #1 contender and gets a championship match next week, loser descends to the #2 contender match next week.

#2 CONTENDER MATCH
ronaldx vs PuzzleScot
Winner becomes #2 contender and gets a #1 contender match next week, loser descends to the relegation match next week.

RELEGATION MATCH
rodders vs. puzzlemad
Winner survives and gets a #2 contender match next week, loser relegated from the ladder and replaced by whoever's at the front of the waiting list.

Waiting list: erika, dickoon, afcwarren

Matches are to be played over Monday 5th September to Friday 9th September, with possible extra time on Saturday 10th September if required.

As ever, if you know in advance that you won't be able to take part on any particular weekday, please speak up as far in advance as you can and book yourself one or two bye days. If anybody else wants to join the waiting list, please let me know.

Good luck, and happy solving, to everyone in the LMI Sprint Test today!

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Re: Any interest in a UK croco-puzzle ladder?

Post by rodders » Sun 04 Sep, 2011 8:34 pm

Can I book bye days for Thursday and Friday this week please?

Apologies in advance to my opponent for the curtailed match.

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Re: Any interest in a UK croco-puzzle ladder?

Post by dickoon » Sun 04 Sep, 2011 9:29 pm

No problem at all!

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Re: Any interest in a UK croco-puzzle ladder?

Post by drsteve » Wed 07 Sep, 2011 5:32 am

The croco website appears to be down at the moment - Wednesday am - which is POSSIBLY the only time I have to do the puzzles. Can I claim a bye for today in case it doesn't come up again in time?

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Re: Any interest in a UK croco-puzzle ladder?

Post by dickoon » Wed 07 Sep, 2011 7:16 am

Sure, though it's back now!

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Re: Any interest in a UK croco-puzzle ladder?

Post by drsteve » Wed 07 Sep, 2011 6:28 pm

Found time in the end...

... but I wish I hadn't... :cry:

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Re: Any interest in a UK croco-puzzle ladder?

Post by dickoon » Wed 07 Sep, 2011 7:38 pm

Stating outright that I recognise you haven't done this here and I don't think anybody ever yet has, I do recognise the potential for people to strategically ask for byes on days where there are puzzles whose types they just don't like - particularly when, say, it's a Friday, they're 5-3 ahead in a match and their opponent has already put in excellent times on the last two puzzles; there comes a point where someone just has to say "sorry, no, suck it up" rather than grant the bye. I don't think any of the eleven in the ladder would do this - but by the time the ladder gets up to, say, two or three hundred (and, wow, will the UK have a strong team by that point!) I'd be disappointed if there weren't just one punk who was willing to try it on principle, once.

I think there may be room to improve the bye system as it is, not least because the current situation causes me to have to make lots of "Sure, that's OK!" posts, which are hardly sparkling content. Not immediately sure how, though.

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Re: Any interest in a UK croco-puzzle ladder?

Post by detuned » Wed 07 Sep, 2011 10:36 pm

Hmm, well at least this is topical...

anyway it turns out I am back on the road Thursday evening rather than Friday morning, and as such will not have time for Fridays puzzles (which reminds me, I'm falling behind on my blog :shock: ). If at all possible, can I request a bye for Friday?

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