Any interest in a UK croco-puzzle ladder?

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Re: Any interest in a UK croco-puzzle ladder?

Post by ronald » Fri 01 Apr, 2011 6:42 pm

I'd be happy to join in, if there's a space.

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Re: Any interest in a UK croco-puzzle ladder?

Post by dickoon » Fri 01 Apr, 2011 10:30 pm

ronald wrote:I'd be happy to join in, if there's a space.
There is indeed!

Now we are at eight, any further entrants will go on a waiting list - but we should be able to introduce one new player from that waiting list every week.

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Re: Any interest in a UK croco-puzzle ladder?

Post by rodders » Sun 03 Apr, 2011 9:41 am

I might struggle to complete the puzzles on Thursday this coming week, unless I can do them on Wednesday night or the wifi on Virgin trains holds on for long enough (unlikely ....). I'll endeavour to do them of course, but just a warning. Not sure how this might affect my match.

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Re: Any interest in a UK croco-puzzle ladder?

Post by dickoon » Sun 03 Apr, 2011 10:59 am

rodders wrote:I might struggle to complete the puzzles on Thursday this coming week, unless I can do them on Wednesday night or the wifi on Virgin trains holds on for long enough (unlikely ....). I'll endeavour to do them of course, but just a warning. Not sure how this might affect my match.
Do feel free to request a bye for Thursday in that case, which would mean that the Thursday puzzles just aren't counted in the results for your match. That's what the facility is there for (real life gets in the way, but if you know in advance that it will do...) and it's certainly within both the letter and spirit of the rules to use it.

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Re: Any interest in a UK croco-puzzle ladder?

Post by dickoon » Sun 03 Apr, 2011 8:40 pm

The third week's matches are as follows:

CHAMPIONSHIP MATCH
drsteve vs. rodders
Winner becomes champion and defends the championship next week, loser descends to the #1 contender match next week.

#1 CONTENDER MATCH
detuned vs. PuzzleScot
Winner becomes #1 contender and gets a championship match next week, loser descends to the #2 contender match next week.

#2 CONTENDER MATCH
puzzlemad vs. afcwarren
Winner becomes #2 contender and gets a #1 contender match next week, loser descends to the relegation match next week.

RELEGATION MATCH
dickoon vs. ronaldx
Winner survives and gets a #2 contender match next week, loser relegated from the ladder and replaced by whoever's at the top of the waiting list. If anyone wants to join the ladder, let me know and you'll start at the bottom next week - but, miracles aside, you won't start with a match against Ron :-) You'll only be four victories away from the top of the ladder!

Crikey, I'll be lucky to score nought in that relegation match. Nevertheless, people will find their appropriate level within the ladder over time, much like we all find our natural level of competition on the rating list.

As ever, if you know in advance that you won't be able to take part on any particular weekday, please speak up in advance (ideally the weekend beforehand) and book yourself one or two bye days.

Good luck, everyone, and enjoy yourselves!

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Re: Any interest in a UK croco-puzzle ladder?

Post by drsteve » Mon 04 Apr, 2011 1:06 pm

rodders wrote:I might struggle to complete the puzzles on Thursday this coming week, unless I can do them on Wednesday night or the wifi on Virgin trains holds on for long enough (unlikely ....). I'll endeavour to do them of course, but just a warning. Not sure how this might affect my match.
I'm more than happy miss a day if you don't want to cram them in on Wednesday evening. If you do them, then we'll count it - if you don't, then we won't. Sounds fair?

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Re: Any interest in a UK croco-puzzle ladder?

Post by rodders » Mon 04 Apr, 2011 3:20 pm

Thanks Steve. I've just booked my travel for Thursday and rail network permitting, I should be home with a couple of hours to spare, so hopefully no problem. To be honest, I'll be quite happy if I haven't already lost 6-0 by Thursday :)

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Re: Any interest in a UK croco-puzzle ladder?

Post by drsteve » Mon 04 Apr, 2011 6:19 pm

rodders wrote:Thanks Steve. I've just booked my travel for Thursday and rail network permitting, I should be home with a couple of hours to spare, so hopefully no problem. To be honest, I'll be quite happy if I haven't already lost 6-0 by Thursday :)
I doubt that'll happen - my head usually implodes around Wednesday and I start thinking that, for example, the digits 1 to 7 total 21 and delete a 75% complete and correct puzzle.

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Re: Any interest in a UK croco-puzzle ladder?

Post by drsteve » Thu 07 Apr, 2011 6:18 am

As predicted, head imploded completely today. Fingers crossed rodders doesn't have time to compete today and my two very negative scores are ignored...

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Re: Any interest in a UK croco-puzzle ladder?

Post by drsteve » Thu 07 Apr, 2011 7:17 pm

drsteve wrote:As predicted, head imploded completely today. Fingers crossed rodders doesn't have time to compete today and my two very negative scores are ignored...
CURSES!!!! All to play for tomorrow, then (if I've counted correctly)

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Re: Any interest in a UK croco-puzzle ladder?

Post by rodders » Thu 07 Apr, 2011 7:48 pm

[quote="drsteve]CURSES!!!! All to play for tomorrow, then (if I've counted correctly)[/quote]

I think I need two points tomorrow to take it to a tie-break so my chances are slim - and I don't believe that you'll continue your run of Fehlversuchs ....!

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Re: Any interest in a UK croco-puzzle ladder?

Post by drsteve » Thu 07 Apr, 2011 8:10 pm

I did exactly the same last week - was 5-1 up against Tom Collyer and proceeded to almost chuck it away (no disrespect to a few awesome times from Tom).

You never know...

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Re: Any interest in a UK croco-puzzle ladder?

Post by PuzzleScot » Thu 07 Apr, 2011 8:18 pm

Tom's 'only' 5-3 up on me at the mo, so all to play for here too.
In fact, we both screwed up on one puzzle (12m+) and Tom got the call by 30 seconds-ish, so kicking self - should be all square!

This whole thing has turned out to be less of a foregone conclusion than I'd initially thought! Good work Chris.

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Re: Any interest in a UK croco-puzzle ladder?

Post by afcwarren » Fri 08 Apr, 2011 12:22 pm

I'm not sure of the score in my game but, if it's a draw, can we have the play off on Sunday please as I'll be away from a computer all day tomorrow?

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Re: Any interest in a UK croco-puzzle ladder?

Post by dickoon » Fri 08 Apr, 2011 3:37 pm

Crikey, you lot are quick. I think I was the last to finish!

Here are the results from the third week of the UK croco-puzzle ladder:

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                    | drsteve   rodders | detuned   PuzzleScot | puzzlemad   afcwarren | dickoon   ronaldx |
Monday              |                   |                      |                       |                   |
Fillomino           | 00:38     01:05   | 00:27     00:43      | 01:05       00:42     | 07:57     00:36   |
Kakuro              | 02:42     03:27   | 01:59     05:31      | 05:53       02:50     | 04:11     10:21   |
Tuesday             |                   |                      |                       |                   |
Japanische Summen   | 18:05     41:35   | 39:47     9999:59    | 50:41       9999:59   | 61:08     18:04   |
Pyramidenrätsel     | 00:17     00:27   | 05:31     00:16      | 00:28       00:18     | 00:17     10:45   |
Wednesday           |                   |                      |                       |                   |
Magnetplattenrätsel | 11:15     17:23   | 12:18     12:51      | 09:40       9999:59   | 1326:37   06:51   |
Sternenhimmel       | 21:06     12:59   | 23:29     14:17      | 36:02       30:25     | 17:47     06:42   |
Thursday            |                   |                      |                       |                   |
Kropki              | 07:20     01:36   | 03:11     02:05      | 01:52       04:38     | 02:40     01:28   |
Pyramidenrätsel     | 12:49     01:47   | 02:32     03:52      | 07:01       04:08     | 03:43     01:27   |
Friday              |                   |                      |                       |                   |
Doppelstern         | 02:43     19:08   | 10:26     13:34      | 26:42       38:17     | 27:23     04:41   |
Pillen              | 13:54     23:23   | 13:41     21:00      | 43:29       15:59     | 19:37     17:37   |

FINAL SCORE         |   7         3     |   7         3        |   4           6       |   2         8     |
I've written a piece of Excel that automatically processes the results for me. All I do is save the highscore pages down, HTML only, open them up as Excel documents, then paste them in as worksheets into this control document. The front worksheet then does some looking up followed by a really ugly bit of text processing (we're talking Filthy McNasty here; no neat VB, let alone anything smarter) to undo all berni's hard work presenting the results neatly and in German. Writing this took about two or three hours and was kind of masochistic fun, that will break as soon as berni reformats the pages. Ah well. (If you want to discover the most efficient way to do something, give it to someone who's really lazy, who'll find the most efficient way just to save themselves work later on. Processing the croco-puzzle ladder, and generating that neat little score table, now takes me about seven minutes, tops.) Unfortunately, I have not actually yet coded the logic to work out who has solved each puzzle more quickly, so it's theoretically possible that I might have cocked up the final scores.

So, with errors and omissions excepted, I believe the final scores to be:

drsteve 7 rodders 3 (and a tip of the cap to both players for good sportsmanship)
detuned 7 PuzzleScot 3
puzzlemad 4 afcwarren 6
dickoon 2 ronaldx 8

...with no extra time required. (I'm not in love with the principle of holding extra time on Sundays instead of Saturdays; I wouldn't necessarily say "no", though, because I broadly hold that if both the players in a match agree to a rule change, then it's the players' match and they can do what they like with it, as long as it's not going to screw the league up.)

Congratulations to all the winners - and especially to drsteve, the first UK croco-puzzle ladder champion! At the other end of the table, the unfortunate distinction of being the first player to be relegated out of the league goes to meeeeeeeeee. If there's anybody else who wishes to join then they shall take my place and try to work their way up the ladder; if not, then I shall make up the numbers once again and try to do better next time. Remember, new starters are only four wins away from the top of the ladder - and this week's results have shown that you can skip puzzles that look like they're going to take you longer than real life permits you to spend (like that nasty 60-minute Japanese Sum!) and still win your match.

If nobody shouts up to notify me that I have Fehlversuched the results, I shall announce the fixtures for week four on Sunday, which will feature drsteve's first championship defence. Week four matches will be played over Monday 11th to Friday 15th April, with possible extra time on Saturday 16th April.

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Re: Any interest in a UK croco-puzzle ladder?

Post by rodders » Fri 08 Apr, 2011 6:27 pm

Well played drsteve. I had the advantage of knowing your (excellent) time on the Doppelstern today and realised I needed to get very lucky to beat it, so I had a go. Sadly it was sufficiently tough to mean logic rather than luck was always going to be the winner :)

I then made a mess of the Pillen anyway! It was always a long shot to come back from 5-0 down!

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Re: Any interest in a UK croco-puzzle ladder?

Post by detuned » Fri 08 Apr, 2011 6:48 pm

Superb - I get another bite at Steve. I shall have to raise my game so I don't have to come back from 5-1 down again!

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Re: Any interest in a UK croco-puzzle ladder?

Post by drsteve » Fri 08 Apr, 2011 9:09 pm

detuned wrote:Superb - I get another bite at Steve. I shall have to raise my game so I don't have to come back from 5-1 down again!
Well, I'll have to avoid another midweek madness - looking forward to it.

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Re: Any interest in a UK croco-puzzle ladder?

Post by dickoon » Sun 10 Apr, 2011 4:38 pm

The fourth week's matches are as follows:

CHAMPIONSHIP MATCH
drsteve (C) vs. detuned
Winner becomes (or remains) champion and defends the championship next week, loser descends to the #1 contender match next week.

#1 CONTENDER MATCH
rodders vs. afcwarren
Winner becomes #1 contender and gets a championship match next week, loser descends to the #2 contender match next week.

#2 CONTENDER MATCH
PuzzleScot vs. ronaldx
Winner becomes #2 contender and gets a #1 contender match next week, loser descends to the relegation match next week.

RELEGATION MATCH
puzzlemad vs. dickoon (or anyone else joining from the waiting list)
Winner survives and gets a #2 contender match next week, loser relegated from the ladder and replaced by whoever's at the top of the waiting list.

Rematches at the top and bottom of the ladder, but both were close last time and all four matches should be competitive once again.

As ever, if you know in advance that you won't be able to take part on any particular weekday, please speak up in advance (ideally the weekend beforehand) and book yourself one or two bye days.

Good luck, everyone, and enjoy yourselves!

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Re: Any interest in a UK croco-puzzle ladder?

Post by ronald » Sun 10 Apr, 2011 8:59 pm

Good game dickoon - we were level for a couple of days. Thanks for organising :))
And good luck PuzzleScot in the coming week!

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Re: Any interest in a UK croco-puzzle ladder?

Post by drsteve » Tue 12 Apr, 2011 10:40 am

1 second... Curse you, Tom!!! :evil:

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Re: Any interest in a UK croco-puzzle ladder?

Post by PuzzleScot » Thu 14 Apr, 2011 11:18 pm

I've just notched up my 3rd straight match loss. As expected, Ronald beat me easily, though I was pleased to steal 2 points from him along the way - undoubtedly due to technical issues on his part. Well done Ronald - more of a challenge for you next week, I'd presume!

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Re: Any interest in a UK croco-puzzle ladder?

Post by drsteve » Fri 15 Apr, 2011 6:46 am

PuzzleScot wrote:I've just notched up my 3rd straight match loss. As expected, Ronald beat me easily, though I was pleased to steal 2 points from him along the way - undoubtedly due to technical issues on his part. Well done Ronald - more of a challenge for you next week, I'd presume!
Depends if you count someone who seems to automatically surrender 3 out of 4 points on Wednesday and Thursday as a challenge, Alan.

Congrats to Tom. Some excellent times this week. Absolutely tonked me.

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Re: Any interest in a UK croco-puzzle ladder?

Post by detuned » Fri 15 Apr, 2011 11:42 am

Cheers Steve - I'm sure this little battle won't be our last though!

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Re: Any interest in a UK croco-puzzle ladder?

Post by dickoon » Fri 15 Apr, 2011 10:28 pm

EXTRA TIME!

I believe that the match between puzzlemad and myself has ended 5-5 and must go into extra time.

The remaining results from the fourth week of the UK croco-puzzle ladder are as follows:

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                  | drsteve   detuned | rodders   afcwarren | PuzzleScot   ronaldx | puzzlemad   dickoon |
Monday            |                   |                     |                      |                     |
Doppelstern       | 01:47     00:52   | 01:34     01:14     | 01:12        01:16   | 02:02       01:51   |
ABCD-Rätsel       | 03:20     05:25   | 05:52     16:59     | 08:30        03:52   | 06:24       05:07   |
Tuesday           |                   |                     |                      |                     |
ABC-Box           | 06:48     01:37   | 08:02     03:27     | 07:14        02:55   | 07:11       05:06   |
ABCD-Rätsel       | 01:37     01:36   | 01:46     02:36     | 03:04        01:18   | 04:35       08:43   |
Wednesday         |                   |                     |                      |                     |
Japanische Summen | 08:01     10:37   | 13:03     22:15     | 25:49        08:11   | 14:45       9999:59 |
Hashi             | 54:27     03:19   | 13:18     09:00     | 04:29        04:13   | 13:14       12:03   |
Thursday          |                   |                     |                      |                     |
Kropki            | 28:41     24:04   | 17:19     54:56     | 13:13        18:57   | 22:54       9999:59 |
Doppel Block      | 30:08     05:39   | 06:12     09:13     | 30:09        19:01   | 12:21       24:12   |
Friday            |                   |                     |                      |                     |
Heyawake          | 02:36     02:18   | 04:26     01:51     | 02:42        01:42   | 04:28       04:04   |
Schlange          | 09:16     13:38   | 12:28     9999:59   | 09:06        04:59   | 16:07       9999:59 |
I still haven't coded the last bit of the Excel logic yet, so with errors and omissions excepted, I believe the scores to be:

drsteve 3 detuned 7
rodders 6 afcwarren 4
PuzzleScot 2 ronaldx 8
puzzlemad 5 dickoon 5

Today's results will determine the verdict of the last match. If today is tied 1-1 (or 0-0) then the total times will determine victory - and with three unsolved puzzles, that bodes poorly for me. :-)

Congratulations to all the winners - and especially to detuned, the new UK croco-puzzle ladder champion! New starters are welcome and the first new starter will take the place of whoever loses the relegation match. (If there are no new starters this week, then the relegated player will be reprieved, like I was last week.) If nobody shouts up to notify me that I have Fehlversuched the results, I shall announce the fixtures for week five on Sunday, which will feature detuned's first championship defence. Week five matches will be played over Monday 18th to Friday 22nd April, with possible extra time on Saturday 23th April. If anyone wants 1 or 2 bye days on the upcoming week, please shout up now.

There are a couple of four-day weekends coming up in the UK, so people may well have plans. Would it make sense to suspend the league for the week from Monday 25th to Friday 29th April?

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