Any interest in a UK croco-puzzle ladder?

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Re: Any interest in a UK croco-puzzle ladder?

Post by detuned » Mon 18 Jul, 2011 3:38 pm

Wow - after a while of being depressed about the stagnation of my croco rating around firstly 1700, and then 1800, I stopped checking the ratings list to see where I was and instead stopped worrying about things so much - whilst trying to keep an eye out for the results of my ladder opponent. My continued streak continues to surprise me, but I had another look at the ratings today, and it seems I've started to climb up again. Mind you, so has everyone else who was around me (ronald/james/david).

Anyway, it seems the ladder matches have given me some croco reinvigoration, and hopefully another match with kiwijam will keep this up. Famous last words :roll:

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Re: Any interest in a UK croco-puzzle ladder?

Post by dickoon » Sat 23 Jul, 2011 3:55 pm

Here are the results of the seventeenth week of the UK croco-puzzle ladder:

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                    | detuned   kiwijam | drsteve   ronaldx  | rodders   oenomel | afcwarren   PuzzleScot |
Monday              |                   |                    |                   |                        |
Magnetplattenrätsel | 03:04     02:54   | 04:54     02:35    | 03:19     04:54   | 09:08       18:17      |
Doppel Block        | 01:56     04:20   | 04:08     05:21    | 03:34     03:43   | 12:11       24:26      |
Tuesday             |                   |                    |                   |                        |
Japanische Summen   | 02:18     08:17   | 02:23     04:40    | 04:21     06:25   | 04:27       08:57      |
Slalom              | 05:26     06:09   | 06:12     44:52    | 22:01     08:24   | 23:02       46:08      |
Wednesday           |                   |                    |                   |                        |
Masyu               | 01:10     01:54   |                    | 13:01     02:39   | 03:40       07:25      |
ABCD-Rätsel         | 07:24     07:49   |                    | 09:47     14:09   | 14:54       28:54      |
Thursday            |                   |                    |                   |                        |
Doppelstern         | 10:53     13:18   |                    | 05:34     13:47   | 03:54       07:55      |
Zeltlager           | 08:22     31:45   |                    | 31:33     11:36   | 26:31       53:10      |
Friday              |                   |                    |                   |                        |
Buchstabensalat     | 02:59     01:47   | 07:04     01:37    | 02:28     06:34   | 9999:59     9999:59    |
Vergleichssudoku    | 06:57     14:55   | 26:00     9999:59  | 17:02     12:11   | 9999:59     9999:59    |
FINAL SCORE         | 8         2       | 4         2        | 6         4       | 8           0          |
detuned 8 kiwijam 2
drsteve 4 ronaldx 2
rodders 6 oenomel 4
afcwarren 8 PuzzleScot 0

Congratulations to our winners, especially to Tom on another successful 8-2 title defence! Commiserations to PuzzleScot, who is relegated from the ladder. Thanks for playing, Alan; you're most welcome to rejoin any time, and unless you say otherwise I'll put you on the waiting list to join again.

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Re: Any interest in a UK croco-puzzle ladder?

Post by dickoon » Sat 23 Jul, 2011 3:57 pm

The eightteenth week's matches are as follows:

CHAMPIONSHIP MATCH
detuned (C) vs. drsteve
Winner becomes (or remains) champion and defends the championship next week, loser descends to the #1 contender match next week.

#1 CONTENDER MATCH
kiwijam vs. rodders
Winner becomes #1 contender and gets a championship match next week, loser descends to the #2 contender match next week.

#2 CONTENDER MATCH
ronaldx vs afcwarren
Winner becomes #2 contender and gets a #1 contender match next week, loser descends to the relegation match next week.

RELEGATION MATCH
oenomel vs. puzzlemad
Winner survives and gets a #2 contender match next week, loser relegated from the ladder and replaced by whoever's at the front of the waiting list.

Waiting list: dickoon, PuzzleScot

Matches are to be played over Monday 25th July to Friday 29th July, with possible extra time on Saturday 30th July if required.

Have a look in the "Reflections on the croco-puzzle ladder?" thread, please, for a document I have put together comparing a number of match generation systems. I'd be delighted to know your thoughts, particularly on the concept of changing to three-way matches.

As ever, if you know in advance that you won't be able to take part on any particular weekday, please speak up as far in advance as you can and book yourself one or two bye days. If anybody else wants to join the waiting list, please let me know.

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Re: Any interest in a UK croco-puzzle ladder?

Post by ronald » Sun 24 Jul, 2011 9:48 pm

Hello, I'd ultimately like to withdraw from the ladder, because I can't guarantee to play at all for the next 6 weeks due to home moving and holidaying - so I won't be able to keep up with the action.

Dickoon - it's up to you how to deal with it. I'm happy with any solution, including nominally keeping me in the ladder or giving my opponents a complete bye. Or, this could be a convenient point to rejig the rules. But, sorry for any inconvenience!

Thanks,
Ronald

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Re: Any interest in a UK croco-puzzle ladder?

Post by kiwijam » Tue 26 Jul, 2011 8:12 am

Congratulations to Tom (detuned) last week. He was on fire and I bore the brunt of it! In those 5 days he rose 46 points, which is particularly impressive work at the 1900 level. 7 of the 10 puzzles he was top in the UK. He overtook my ranking during the week, I probably would have done a little better if I'd ignored the target +9s he set and just played my normal slow and steady - in the end I did well to only go down 8-2. :)
Eventually I figured I should just get used to never beating him (I've lost 3 challenges in a row I think) - except now I see he's getting mortal scores again this week. Sigh. I shall continue trying... :|

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Re: Any interest in a UK croco-puzzle ladder?

Post by drsteve » Tue 26 Jul, 2011 4:56 pm

kiwijam wrote:Congratulations to Tom (detuned) last week. He was on fire and I bore the brunt of it! In those 5 days he rose 46 points, which is particularly impressive work at the 1900 level. 7 of the 10 puzzles he was top in the UK. He overtook my ranking during the week, I probably would have done a little better if I'd ignored the target +9s he set and just played my normal slow and steady - in the end I did well to only go down 8-2. :)
Eventually I figured I should just get used to never beating him (I've lost 3 challenges in a row I think) - except now I see he's getting mortal scores again this week. Sigh. I shall continue trying... :|
Oh, I know the feeling of constantly challenging Tom. I beat him once upon a time...

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Re: Any interest in a UK croco-puzzle ladder?

Post by detuned » Tue 26 Jul, 2011 9:19 pm

kiwijam wrote: Eventually I figured I should just get used to never beating him (I've lost 3 challenges in a row I think) - except now I see he's getting mortal scores again this week. Sigh. I shall continue trying... :|
Well, it was certainly something of a purple patch for me last week - although I will add this week's times so far have been a combination of solving in a post monday morning run induced state of knackeredness, and post monday evening pub state of inebriation! There's something I'm seriously not getting with the croco tapa puzzles though. It's not like I set the world alight with tapa in general, but I always seem to really really *really* struggle with the croco offerings. I don't know whether it's the interface or just the style of computer generation or what it is. Does anyone else have anything similar going on?

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Re: Any interest in a UK croco-puzzle ladder?

Post by drsteve » Tue 26 Jul, 2011 9:38 pm

detuned wrote:
kiwijam wrote: Eventually I figured I should just get used to never beating him (I've lost 3 challenges in a row I think) - except now I see he's getting mortal scores again this week. Sigh. I shall continue trying... :|
Well, it was certainly something of a purple patch for me last week - although I will add this week's times so far have been a combination of solving in a post monday morning run induced state of knackeredness, and post monday evening pub state of inebriation! There's something I'm seriously not getting with the croco tapa puzzles though. It's not like I set the world alight with tapa in general, but I always seem to really really *really* struggle with the croco offerings. I don't know whether it's the interface or just the style of computer generation or what it is. Does anyone else have anything similar going on?
Well, I'll take any advantage I can get.

In terms of the Tapa, they do seem different from other (mainly Serkan's) Tapa's in terms of solving the middle section of the puzzle. I find I have to result in a bit of trial and error in them and of course, getting it right first time can speed up the time a lot. I consider myself pretty good at Tapa and do think the Croc ones present a much stiffer challenge than you might expect from a smallish grid size.

Looking forward to a non-exhausted, non-inebriated challenge tomorrow...

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Re: Any interest in a UK croco-puzzle ladder?

Post by detuned » Wed 27 Jul, 2011 10:32 pm

I think a phenomenal time for steve on the bahnhof, and a typo with 2's and a 1 on the fillomino ruining what was otherwise a good time for me on the fillomino must surely hand Steve victory this week. Well played!

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Re: Any interest in a UK croco-puzzle ladder?

Post by drsteve » Thu 28 Jul, 2011 5:25 am

Don't know why the Bahnhof was so fast - really surprised to have beaten (currently) everyone by at least 4 seconds, which is almost surreal.

Finally a good week coincides with a championship bout!!!

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Re: Any interest in a UK croco-puzzle ladder?

Post by PuzzleScot » Thu 28 Jul, 2011 9:31 am

I claim 'top Brit' on today's Fillomino 8-)

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Re: Any interest in a UK croco-puzzle ladder?

Post by drsteve » Thu 28 Jul, 2011 2:39 pm

OK, I thought I was fast but Siemer (whoever that is) did the Bahnhof in 23 seconds!

Damn, thought I had my first overall win under my belt. Ah well, to quote Alan, I claim top Brit :D

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Re: Any interest in a UK croco-puzzle ladder?

Post by dickoon » Sat 30 Jul, 2011 9:08 pm

ronald wrote:Hello, I'd ultimately like to withdraw from the ladder, because I can't guarantee to play at all for the next 6 weeks due to home moving and holidaying - so I won't be able to keep up with the action.

Dickoon - it's up to you how to deal with it. I'm happy with any solution, including nominally keeping me in the ladder or giving my opponents a complete bye. Or, this could be a convenient point to rejig the rules. But, sorry for any inconvenience!
Never a problem! Probably the easiest thing to do is let you float through the ladder, expecting you not to make all that many appearances, and when you do fall out of the bottom, quite possibly more due to inactivity than anything else, then I will not put you back on the waiting list until you decide to go back on it.

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Re: Any interest in a UK croco-puzzle ladder?

Post by dickoon » Sun 31 Jul, 2011 1:26 pm

A little later than I'd have liked to have been able to provide them, here are the results of the eighteenth week of the UK croco-puzzle ladder:

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                  | detuned   drsteve | kiwijam   rodders | ronaldx    afcwarren | oenomel   puzzlemad |
Monday            |                   |                   |                      |                     |
Tapa              | 33:36     09:47   | 11:00     34:24   | 9999:59    9999:59   | 29:46     20:11     |
Zeltlager         | 05:50     03:00   | 05:34     12:32   | 9999:59    08:53     | 06:16     08:55     |
Tuesday           |                   |                   |                      |                     |
Japanische Summen | 03:04     01:59   | 02:55     05:06   | 9999:59    04:38     | 03:11     12:14     |
Kropki            | 04:50     03:20   | 03:20     03:31   | 9999:59    08:01     | 04:00     05:14     |
Wednesday         |                   |                   |                      |                     |
Japanische Summen | 33:51     14:24   | 23:44     17:01   | 20:11      9999:59   | 12:44     40:18     |
Rundweg           | 01:45     02:38   | 02:18     03:59   | 02:43      03:37     | 04:21     07:07     |
Thursday          |                   |                   |                      |                     |
Fillomino         | 05:33     00:57   | 00:50     01:20   | 00:49      00:50     | 01:04     01:22     |
Bahnhöfe          | 00:56     00:30   | 01:01     03:05   | 01:00      01:24     | 02:05     02:20     |
Friday            |                   |                   |                      |                     |
Kakuro            | 05:19     07:39   | 07:17     05:50   | 9999:59    9999:59   | 22:53     20:03     |
Laser             | 09:30     08:35   | 12:04     07:53   | 9999:59    12:17     | 16:30     28:55     |
Saturday          |                   |                   |                      |                     |
Doppelstern       |                   |                   | 03:50      9999:59   |                     |
Sternenhimmel     |                   |                   | 14:59      9999:59   |                     |
MON-FRI SCORE     | 2         8       | 7         3       | 4          4         | 8         2         |
FINAL SCORE       | 2         8       | 7         3       | 6          4         | 8         2         |
detuned 2 drsteve 8
kiwijam 7 rodders 3
ronaldx 6 afcwarren 4 aet
oenomel 8 puzzlemad 2

Congratulations to our winners, especially to Steve, our first three-time champion, who won the championship in considerable style! Commiserations to puzzlemad, who is relegated from the ladder. Thanks for playing, Liane; you're most welcome to rejoin any time, and unless you say otherwise I'll put you on the waiting list to join again.

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Re: Any interest in a UK croco-puzzle ladder?

Post by dickoon » Sun 31 Jul, 2011 1:39 pm

The nineteenth week's matches are as follows:

CHAMPIONSHIP MATCH
drsteve (C) vs. kiwijam
Winner becomes (or remains) champion and defends the championship next week, loser descends to the #1 contender match next week.

#1 CONTENDER MATCH
detuned vs. ronaldx
Winner becomes #1 contender and gets a championship match next week, loser descends to the #2 contender match next week.

#2 CONTENDER MATCH
rodders vs oenomel
Winner becomes #2 contender and gets a #1 contender match next week, loser descends to the relegation match next week.

RELEGATION MATCH
afcwarren vs. dickoon
Winner survives and gets a #2 contender match next week, loser relegated from the ladder and replaced by whoever's at the front of the waiting list.

Waiting list: PuzzleScot, puzzlemad

Matches are to be played over Monday 1st August to Friday 5th August, with possible extra time on Saturday 6th August if required.

Have a look in the "Reflections on the croco-puzzle ladder?" thread, please, for a document I have put together comparing a number of match generation systems. I'd be delighted to know your thoughts, particularly on the concept of changing to three-way matches.

As ever, if you know in advance that you won't be able to take part on any particular weekday, please speak up as far in advance as you can and book yourself one or two bye days. If anybody else wants to join the waiting list, please let me know.

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Re: Any interest in a UK croco-puzzle ladder?

Post by drsteve » Fri 05 Aug, 2011 4:09 pm

Just a quickie to say that I won't be crocking at all next week, so, as I'm pretty sure I've defended the championship this week, it looks like whoever wins the challenger match will get a walkover next week.

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Re: Any interest in a UK croco-puzzle ladder?

Post by detuned » Fri 05 Aug, 2011 4:39 pm

Ah now that's a shame. It seemed as if Ronald was playing this week after all, which made things competitive, but I think I've got the win (or at least not managed to lose - yet).

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Re: Any interest in a UK croco-puzzle ladder?

Post by drsteve » Fri 05 Aug, 2011 6:05 pm

detuned wrote:Ah now that's a shame. It seemed as if Ronald was playing this week after all, which made things competitive, but I think I've got the win (or at least not managed to lose - yet).
In some ways I was sort of hoping to lose this week in order to shake up the pairings - swap me and James in the "sides" of the draw. Still prefer to actually win though, obviously...

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Re: Any interest in a UK croco-puzzle ladder?

Post by dickoon » Fri 05 Aug, 2011 9:25 pm

Extra Time alert! Looks to me like rodders - oenomel finished 5-5 during the week and thus will go into a sixth day tomorrow.

Full results as they become available.

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Re: Any interest in a UK croco-puzzle ladder?

Post by nickdeller » Sat 06 Aug, 2011 7:59 pm

I believe that's a fairly clear win for rodders on total times - in which case, well done! What a difference it makes when you forget to mark one black square in a Japanese Sums...

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Re: Any interest in a UK croco-puzzle ladder?

Post by PuzzleScot » Sat 06 Aug, 2011 10:17 pm

Ooh, this is good. I'm joining back in on a different cycle, so the next few weeks (hopefully!!), I'll be meeting new opponents. yipee.

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Re: Any interest in a UK croco-puzzle ladder?

Post by dickoon » Sun 07 Aug, 2011 7:29 pm

A lot later than I'd have liked to have been able to provide them, here are the results of the nineteenth week of the UK croco-puzzle ladder:

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                    | drsteve   kiwijam | detuned   ronaldx | rodders   oenomel | afcwarren   dickoon |
Monday              |                   |                   |                   |                     |
Japanische Summen   | 06:13     08:28   | 13:49     07:26   | 09:20     13:06   | 14:23       17:40   |
Masyu               | 01:00     01:09   | 00:25     00:51   | 01:16     00:56   | 00:48       01:45   |
Tuesday             |                   |                   |                   |                     |
Magnetplattenrätsel | 08:47     07:57   | 07:53     15:49   | 14:49     15:13   | 9999:59     32:35   |
Sternenhimmel       | 18:26     05:56   | 13:09     06:25   | 06:03     10:11   | 09:49       11:15   |
Wednesday           |                   |                   |                   |                     |
Hochhäuser          | 01:53     04:25   | 03:42     04:20   | 03:59     05:27   | 05:09       10:56   |
Rundweg             | 02:05     01:54   | 01:50     03:42   | 04:56     03:19   | 02:29       09:32   |
Thursday            |                   |                   |                   |                     |
Fillomino           | 01:19     01:28   | 01:12     02:14   | 02:24     01:44   | 01:44       02:40   |
Hitori              | 03:15     03:53   | 01:58     02:35   | 04:17     03:13   | 03:06       05:08   |
Friday              |                   |                   |                   |                     |
Doppel Block        | 07:25     08:38   | 12:29     10:06   | 09:49     11:15   | 14:37       13:17   |
U-Bahn              | 01:46     02:16   | 01:49     04:22   | 04:49     02:30   | 04:03       06:45   |
Saturday            |                   |                   |                   |                     |
Magnetplattenrätsel |                   |                   | 13:46     19:06   |                     |
Masyu               |                   |                   | 04:00     02:22   |                     |
MON-FRI SCORE       | 7         3       | 7         3       | 5         5       | 8           2       |
FINAL SCORE         | 7         3       | 7         3       | 6         6       | 8           2       |
TOTAL TIME          | 52:09     46:04   | 58:16     57:50   | 79:28     88:22   | 10056:07    111:33  |
drsteve 7 kiwijam 3
detuned 7 ronaldx 3
rodders 6 oenomel 6 aet, rodders wins on total time
afcwarren 8 dickoon 2

Congratulations to our winners, especially to Steve for defending his title! I got relegated; not surprising considering the week saw me drop from 1188 to 1180, whereas Warren, on red-hot form, rose from 957 to 981. Liane will be overtaking me imminently and Warren will surely do so before too much longer at that pace, too.

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Re: Any interest in a UK croco-puzzle ladder?

Post by dickoon » Sun 07 Aug, 2011 7:30 pm

The twentieth - twentieth! - week's matches are as follows:

CHAMPIONSHIP MATCH
drsteve (C) vs. detuned
Winner becomes (or remains) champion and defends the championship next week, loser descends to the #1 contender match next week.

#1 CONTENDER MATCH
kiwijam vs. rodders
Winner becomes #1 contender and gets a championship match next week, loser descends to the #2 contender match next week.

#2 CONTENDER MATCH
ronaldx vs afcwarren
Winner becomes #2 contender and gets a #1 contender match next week, loser descends to the relegation match next week.

RELEGATION MATCH
oenomel vs. PuzzleScot
Winner survives and gets a #2 contender match next week, loser relegated from the ladder and replaced by whoever's at the front of the waiting list.

Waiting list: puzzlemad, dickoon

Matches are to be played over Monday 8th August to Friday 12th August, with possible extra time on Saturday 13th August if required.

Have a look in the "Reflections on the croco-puzzle ladder?" thread, please, for a document I have put together comparing a number of match generation systems. I'd be delighted to know your thoughts, particularly on the concept of changing to three-way matches.

As ever, if you know in advance that you won't be able to take part on any particular weekday, please speak up as far in advance as you can and book yourself one or two bye days. If anybody else wants to join the waiting list, please let me know.

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Re: Any interest in a UK croco-puzzle ladder?

Post by PuzzleScot » Tue 09 Aug, 2011 10:17 am

David and Tom both awarded 5th Kyu today!

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Re: Any interest in a UK croco-puzzle ladder?

Post by dickoon » Sat 13 Aug, 2011 3:19 pm

After some further Extra Time about which I did not manage to produce a warning, here are the results of the twentieth week of the UK croco-puzzle ladder:

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                    | drsteve    detuned  | kiwijam   rodders | ronaldx    afcwarren | oenomel   PuzzleScot |
Monday              |                     |                   |                      |                      |
Kakuro              | 9999:59    01:39    | 02:56     03:04   | 05:53      06:30     | 03:54     07:16      |
Zeltlager           | 9999:59    10:06    | 12:28     31:56   | 17:57      9999:59   | 22:40     18:10      |
Tuesday             |                     |                   |                      |                      |
Thermometer         | 9999:59    9999:59  | 01:46     03:48   | 01:30      03:08     | 02:12     01:59      |
Rundweg             | 9999:59    9999:59  | 02:56     05:52   | 02:26      02:24     | 02:58     05:38      |
Wednesday           |                     |                   |                      |                      |
Doppelstern         | 9999:59    00:54    | 00:56     04:34   | 01:02      00:59     | 01:18     01:17      |
Laser               | 9999:59    23:09    | 06:50     33:24   | 11:47      9999:59   | 21:21     12:46      |
Thursday            |                     |                   |                      |                      |
Kakuro              | 9999:59    01:31    | 03:23     03:59   | 06:05      03:49     | 03:37     04:51      |
Domino              | 9999:59    02:30    | 03:49     03:08   | 01:59      04:17     | 03:28     20:12      |
Friday              |                     |                   |                      |                      |
Japanische Summen   | 9999:59    02:18    | 02:28     02:37   | 9999:59    9999:59   | 02:29     03:45      |
Magisches Labyrinth | 9999:59    04:50    | 06:33     06:22   | 9999:59    9999:59   | 10:17     10:03      |
Saturday            |                     |                   |                      |                      |
Buchstabensalat     |                     |                   |                      | 02:54     07:01      |
Sudoku              |                     |                   |                      | 02:08     02:47      |
MON-FRI SCORE       | 0          8        | 8         2       | 5          3         | 5         5          |
FINAL SCORE         | 0          8        | 8         2       | 5          3         | 7         5          |
TOTAL TIME          | 99999:50   20046:55 | 44:05     98:44   | 20048:37   40021:03  | 79:16     95:45      |
detuned w/o drsteve
kiwijam 8 rodders 2
ronaldx 5 afcwarren 3
oenomel 7 PuzzleScot 5 aet

Congratulations to our winners! Commiserations to PuzzleScot, who is relegated from the ladder after an extremely tight match - Nick's second extra-time thriller in a row. Thanks for playing, Alan; you're most welcome to rejoin any time, and unless you say otherwise I'll put you on the waiting list to join again.

I will say that I'm not operating the ladder with as much efficiency as I'd like at the moment. Please find attached a copy of the latest version of the Excel spreadsheet I'm using in case everything at this end goes boing. I wrote it for my purposes, which rely on MSIE 9 and Excel 2003, more because they're what I have than what I like. Save the spreadsheet into the directory of your choice, then log out of Croco-puzzle (this is important), go to the highscore page on Croco-puzzle, type in Monday's date, press the "anzeigen" button, and save the results using "Webpage, HTML only", as Monday.htm. Change the date to that of Tuesday, press the button again, and save the results in the same way as Tuesday.htm. Repeat for Wednesday to Saturday. Then open the croco-ladder2 spreadsheet, enter a 1 or a 0 into cell B1 depending on whether you want Monday-Saturday or Monday-Friday results, and run the one macro, entitled "Pull in dailies". ((ETA: You should expect to receive six errors saying "CSS type missing", or similar. This is to be expected. In fact, if you don't, then it means you weren't logged out, and it means that the wrong cells will get searched and the sheet won't work.)) Type the names of the competitors into cells B3 to I3 (basically, "fill in every cell with a non-white background") and the results are generated at the bottom of the spreadsheet in a way that you can just copy and paste them in to a post on this forum.
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croco-ladder2.xls
Croco-puzzle scoring spreadsheet
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Last edited by dickoon on Sat 20 Aug, 2011 7:12 pm, edited 1 time in total.

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